Workforce Institute Radio Podcast: Founder of Perpetual Guardian on Implementing a Four-day Work Week



Joyce Maroney, executive director of The Workforce Institute at Kronos Incorporated, welcomes Andrew Barnes, founder of New Zealand estate planning company Perpetual Guardian, and Charlotte Lockhart, CEO of 4 Day Week Global. Barnes and Lockhart discuss how they successfully made the four-day work week a reality at Perpetual Guardian; why they started 4 Day Week Global; and how organizations can evaluate, plan for, and implement a four-day work week strategy. Barnes also imparts insights from his new book, The Four Day Week, including:



  • How to know if an organization is well-suited for a four-day work week model;
  • Steps Perpetual Guardian took to implement its four-day work week and the most surprising results;
  • Strategies for making a four-day work week a reality for both hourly and salaried workers;
  • The biggest obstacles around the world to adopting a four-day work week; and
  • Advice on how to get started planning for a four-day work week at organizations where it makes sense.


Available now.



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The Workforce Institute provides research and education on critical workplace issues facing organizations around the globe. By bringing together thought leaders, The Workforce Institute is uniquely positioned to empower organizations with the knowledge and information they need to manage their workforces effectively and provide a voice for employees on important workplace issues. A hallmark of The Workforce Institute’s research is balancing the needs and desires of diverse employee populations with the needs of organizations. For additional information, visit

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About Kronos Incorporated

Kronos is a leading provider of workforce management and human capital management cloud solutions. Kronos industry-centric workforce applications are purpose-built for businesses, healthcare providers, educational institutions, and government agencies of all sizes. Tens of thousands of organizations — including half of the Fortune 1000® — and more than 40 million people in over 100 countries use Kronos every day. Kronos merged with Ultimate Software on April 1, 2020, to create one of the world’s most innovative HCM and workforce management companies. Visit Kronos: Workforce Innovation That Works.

About Ultimate Software

Ultimate Software is a leading global provider of cloud human capital management (HCM) and employee experience solutions, with more than 51 million people records in the cloud. Ultimate’s award-winning UltiPro delivers HR, payroll, talent, and time and labor management, as well as HR service delivery solutions. Founded in 1990, Ultimate is headquartered in Weston, Florida, and employs more than 6,000 professionals. To learn more, visit Ultimate Software: People First.

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